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    Back in May I found my FX-3 prop controls did not allow the governor control arm to be pulled to the low speed stop. I adjusted the control cable length and, at that time, the cockpit levers allowed full range of control between high and low speed stop.

    Now I find I have the same problem again. Prop levers move the control arm to the high speed stop but do not reach the low speed stop. I disconnected the cable end at the governor and the governor control arm moves freely between the stops. The cockpit prop control levers seem to be binding up long before they reach the aft end of the control range.

    Has anyone else experienced this problem? Can someone, perhaps an EX-3 builder, post details photos and/or drawings of the front and rear prop lever quadrants and linkages showing any areas that could cause restriction of movement?

    Just in case anyone asks - yes the friction adjustment was fully released.

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    Andy. Here’s a link with some info. Scroll down to the prop Governor section.

    https://forum.cubcrafters.com/showth...ll=1#post22623

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    Back in May I found my FX-3 prop controls did not allow the governor control arm to be pulled to the low speed stop. I adjusted the control cable length and, at that time, the cockpit levers allowed full range of control between high and low speed stop.

    Now I find I have the same problem again. Prop levers move the control arm to the high speed stop but do not reach the low speed stop. I disconnected the cable end at the governor and the governor control arm moves freely between the stops. The cockpit prop control levers seem to be binding up long before they reach the aft end of the control range.

    Has anyone else experienced this problem? Can someone, perhaps an EX-3 builder, post details photos and/or drawings of the front and rear prop lever quadrants and linkages showing any areas that could cause restriction of movement?

    Just in case anyone asks - yes the friction adjustment was fully released.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daveembry View Post
    Andy. Here’s a link with some info. Scroll down to the prop Governor section.

    https://forum.cubcrafters.com/showth...ll=1#post22623

    Dave,

    Thanks for the reply but I didn't find any images of the prop lever quadrant in the governor section. My problem is that the range of movement of the lever is restricted when the cable is not attached to the governor arm. I did find an image of the front quadrant in my build photos (thanks Zach). I don't have one of the rear quadrant.

    Possible obstructions to full aft movement appear to be spring becomes coil bound or cable attach screw or link rod screw fouling the fuel line. I hope it's possible to find the cause without having to pull the side panel.


    Front throttle+prop quadrant.PNG

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    https://forum.cubcrafters.com/showth...ll=1#post21571

    This is the index to entire build. Feel free to look up any area in the index and them for to the posts. These post supplement or correct the manuals only.

    See post 43 for the quadrants themselves https://forum.cubcrafters.com/showth...ll=1#post22094

    https://forum.cubcrafters.com/showth...ll=1#post22510 More on cables.

    the rear quadrant is simply attached to the front quadrant with non-adjustable rods. Almost always the problem is at the Governor end.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    Dave,

    Thanks for the reply but I didn't find any images of the prop lever quadrant in the governor section. My problem is that the range of movement of the lever is restricted when the cable is not attached to the governor arm. I did find an image of the front quadrant in my build photos (thanks Zach). I don't have one of the rear quadrant.

    Possible obstructions to full aft movement appear to be spring becomes coil bound or cable attach screw or link rod screw fouling the fuel line. I hope it's possible to find the cause without having to pull the side panel.


    Front throttle+prop quadrant.PNG
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daveembry View Post
    Almost always the problem is at the Governor end.
    The governor is not attached to the cable yet the prop lever movement is restricted. The problem clearly has nothing to do with the governor.

    In your builds how far aft does the prop lever go when the cable is not connected to the governor? What limits the aft movement of the prop levers?

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    Andy, here is a page from the build manual on the rear throttle quadrant. You can see there isn't much to it, but it could be that one of the upper AN23-21A screws came loose somehow and jammed the lever. Both throttle and prop should be affected if that is the case.

    If you are going to maintain your own "experimental FX-3 you should ask for access to these manuals.

    Good luck! John

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    Well the spring is not coil bound. I was able to image it with a small USB "endoscope" camera without dismantling anything. To make any more progress I'm going to have to disconnect the cable from the prop lever to find out which is limiting the travel.

    Can someone who has not yet fitted the trapezoidal fuel valve panel please take a photo of the side panel showing the hole where the fuel valve panel fits. I'm wondering if I can access the prop lever cable attach screw without pulling the entire side panel.

    When I get the lever end disconnected I'm going to need to check the cable for full range of motion. If someone has the prop cable not installed yet would you please measure the range of motion of one of the cable ends.

    The frustrating thing about this is that I found the governor was not quite reaching the low speed stop during my condition inspection. It only took a small adjustment of the cable end at the governor to get stop to stop movement. Now something has changed and the travel is limited again.

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    Ok, so the spring is not fitted to EX-3 and, from the geometry shown in my earlier photo, it appears that the spring will become coil bound long before the lever gets to the aft stop.

    Yes, the governor spring will tend to pull the lever forward but does it ever move forward on an EX-3 with normal friction applied?

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    Ref SERVICE INSTRUCTION SK-SI001 for the mod that adds the spring.

    http://cubcrafters.com/c/wp-content/...SKSI001-10.pdf

    It requires verification of lever movement between forward and aft stops.

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    I managed to get a couple of hours of work in this afternoon. My project is at a good stage to look at this problem.

    Note paragraph 5b. of the service note. It is the stops firewall forward that determine travel. In fact, it only takes about 2/3 of the travel of the prop control lever to effect full travel at the governor. So it is important to take the cowl off and check for full travel there, stop to stop, and not at the control.

    Good luck, John

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