Need help filling out AOPA Aircraft Information on Carbon Cub

[SWBond]

Hello:

I need help filling out information on AOPA's site. Aircraft information needed to include Carbon Cub in AOPA's Flight Plan tool.

Make and Model: (Carbon Cub SS?)

FAA Designator: (Unknown)

Aircraft Type: (Piston Fixed Pitch) or (Piston Variable Pitch)

Equipment: (G - GPS, transponder, mode C)
(I - RNAV, transponder, mode C)
(C - RNAV, transponder, no mode C)
(Y - RNAV, no transponder)
(A - DME, transponder, mode C)
(B - DME, transponder, no mode C)
(D - DME, no transponder)
(U - transponder, mode C)
(T - transponder, no mode C)
(X - no transponder)
(R - RNP, mode C)
(E - FMX/IRU, mode C)
(F - FMS, mode C)
(W - RVSM, mode C)
(J - RVSM, FMS/IRU, mode C)
(K - RVSM, FMS, mode C)
(L - RVSM, GPS, mode C)
(Q - RVSM, RNP, mode C)
(P - TACAN, mode C)
(N - TACAN, no mode C)
(M - TACAN, no transponder)

Fuel Capacity: (25 Gallons?)

Taxi Fuel: (xx Gallons)

Max. Gross Weight: (1320 lbs?)


All figures below should be for maximum gross weight and standard atmospheric conditions.

Rate of Clime: (xx feet/min)

Indicated Climb Speed: (xx Knots)

Climb Fuel Burn Rate: (xx Gallons/hr)

Default Cruise Altitude: (xx feet)

Cruise TAS: (xx Knots)

Cruise Fuel Burn Rate: (xx Gallons/hr)

Rate of Descent: (xx Feet/min)

Indicated Descent Speed: (xx Knots)

Descent Fuel Burn Rate: (xx Gallons/hr)

Thank You,

Stephen W. Bond

[Pete D]

A lot of that is in the aircraft flight manual. Here is a direct link:

http://www.cubcrafters.com/pdfs/ccss/cc11-160afm.pdf

Also available by going to www.cubcrafters.com then look for "owner support" at the bottom right part of the page.

Make: Cub Crafters Inc
Model CC11-160


Aircraft type, piston fixed pitch

Hope this helps....

Pete D.

[randylervold]

I'm still a bit puzzled by 'FAA Designator' myself. Technically the aicraft is a CC11-160 but when I get VFR flight following I have yet to have the controller recognize that designation.

Clay, know anything about this?

[seastar]

This issue ticks me off. We should be called what we are.
I sent an email to the FAA and here is the reply.


Bill...

I have received your question and am trying to find an answer for you. It may come down to waiting for the EAA/FAA initiative concerning increasing the number of aircraft ID types to come to fruition (a painfully slow process) or just calling yourself a PA-12 or a PA-18 (whichever model is closer) to trick the computer into accepting your flight plan. In remarks you could then put the CubCrafter c11-160 in remarks.. I spoke with some CubCrafter owners here locally in the DC area (where they are required to file every time they leave the ground due to the special rules in place around Washington), These owners report to me that they just go the PA-12/18 route. In reality all ATC cares about is your speed.

Thats not the best answer I know, and does not let you share the real type of that beautiful airplane, (like calling your BMW a VW to trick some silly highway rule) but its the best I have for right now. I will continue to seek an answer for you in the mean time.

And, just so you know, you're not alone in this. Everyone I talked with so far, from owners, the EAA, the CC factory people, and even some in Flight Standards would like to know the answer. The best I have at the moment is that the EAA did partner with the FAA about a year ago to work this issue. I am waiting to hear where that effort stands.

Hang in there Bill, the tower guy cant tell your CC from a tri-pacer anyway. Not the answer you want, but I'll try and get you one.

Regards

Bill Moriarty
Flight Service Safety and Operations
202-356-3792
william.j.moriarty@faa.gov

[turbopilot]

Hang in there Bill, the tower guy cant tell your CC from a tri-pacer anyway. Not the answer you want, but I'll try and get you one.

At my local airport I think the controller wants to know if you are a CC because the takeoff and landing performance is so different from other Cubs. When traffic is heavy the CC can save a lot of time sequencing traffic.

[SWBond]

Thank you. With the manual I was able to fill out the information.

There is one thing I find confusing....The manual states the plane's cruise speed at 8,000-ft is 105-miles per hour @ 80-hp.

However on CubCrafter's website, under their "Safety & Performance" tab, they have this line: "Maximum continuous speed of 138 miles per hour." How is this attained, and what is the fuel consumption at this rate? Also, does flying at this speed affect the MTBO of 2400-hrs?

Thank You,

Stephen W. Bond

[Pete D]

The ICAO designator is "PA11" I think I have used this on flight plans before.

http://www.icao.int/anb/ais/8643/index.cfm

That may not be the same as the FAA designator but I think what they are basing that designation on is runway needed for takeoff/landing, climb rates, and cruise speeds.

Pete D.

[Frank]

The ICAO designator is "PA11" I think I have used this on flight plans before.

http://www.icao.int/anb/ais/8643/index.cfm

That may not be the same as the FAA designator but I think what they are basing that designation on is runway needed for takeoff/landing, climb rates, and cruise speeds.

Pete D.

Pete,

Look here.
http://www.icao.int/anb/ais/8643/Foreword_english.pdf

[JohnM]

I also have experienced the same lack of recognition from controllers. When they ask for my aircraft type, I just tell them what type it is and that it isn't on their list so don't bother looking for it. Somehow they figure something out and life goes on.

I also use the opportunity for the radio communication to be free advertising by using CarbonCub and SportCub in the call sign ALL of the time. My friendly local guys in Leesburg, FL no longer refer to my airplane as a Piper Cub.

We work hard to distinguish ourselves in the airplane market place so I am not going surrender our identity for their convenience. If I get annoyed enough, I just might have to turn off the radio. (The wings don't fold up contrary to popular belief)

JM

[Pete D]

I do the same thing on the radio, never hurts for people to hear the cc name, free advertising!