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    Question Need help filling out AOPA Aircraft Information on Carbon Cub

    Hello:

    I need help filling out information on AOPA's site. Aircraft information needed to include Carbon Cub in AOPA's Flight Plan tool.

    Make and Model: (Carbon Cub SS?)

    FAA Designator: (Unknown)

    Aircraft Type: (Piston Fixed Pitch) or (Piston Variable Pitch)

    Equipment: (G - GPS, transponder, mode C)
    (I - RNAV, transponder, mode C)
    (C - RNAV, transponder, no mode C)
    (Y - RNAV, no transponder)
    (A - DME, transponder, mode C)
    (B - DME, transponder, no mode C)
    (D - DME, no transponder)
    (U - transponder, mode C)
    (T - transponder, no mode C)
    (X - no transponder)
    (R - RNP, mode C)
    (E - FMX/IRU, mode C)
    (F - FMS, mode C)
    (W - RVSM, mode C)
    (J - RVSM, FMS/IRU, mode C)
    (K - RVSM, FMS, mode C)
    (L - RVSM, GPS, mode C)
    (Q - RVSM, RNP, mode C)
    (P - TACAN, mode C)
    (N - TACAN, no mode C)
    (M - TACAN, no transponder)

    Fuel Capacity: (25 Gallons?)

    Taxi Fuel: (xx Gallons)

    Max. Gross Weight: (1320 lbs?)


    All figures below should be for maximum gross weight and standard atmospheric conditions.

    Rate of Clime: (xx feet/min)

    Indicated Climb Speed: (xx Knots)

    Climb Fuel Burn Rate: (xx Gallons/hr)

    Default Cruise Altitude: (xx feet)

    Cruise TAS: (xx Knots)

    Cruise Fuel Burn Rate: (xx Gallons/hr)

    Rate of Descent: (xx Feet/min)

    Indicated Descent Speed: (xx Knots)

    Descent Fuel Burn Rate: (xx Gallons/hr)

    Thank You,

    Stephen W. Bond

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    Default Re: Need help filling out AOPA Aircraft Information on Carbon Cub

    A lot of that is in the aircraft flight manual. Here is a direct link:

    http://www.cubcrafters.com/pdfs/ccss/cc11-160afm.pdf

    Also available by going to www.cubcrafters.com then look for "owner support" at the bottom right part of the page.

    Make: Cub Crafters Inc
    Model CC11-160


    Aircraft type, piston fixed pitch

    Hope this helps....

    Pete D.

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    Default Re: Need help filling out AOPA Aircraft Information on Carbon Cub

    I'm still a bit puzzled by 'FAA Designator' myself. Technically the aicraft is a CC11-160 but when I get VFR flight following I have yet to have the controller recognize that designation.

    Clay, know anything about this?
    Randy Lervold

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    Post Re: Need help filling out AOPA Aircraft Information on Carbon Cub

    Thank you. With the manual I was able to fill out the information.

    There is one thing I find confusing....The manual states the plane's cruise speed at 8,000-ft is 105-miles per hour @ 80-hp.

    However on CubCrafter's website, under their "Safety & Performance" tab, they have this line: "Maximum continuous speed of 138 miles per hour." How is this attained, and what is the fuel consumption at this rate? Also, does flying at this speed affect the MTBO of 2400-hrs?

    Thank You,

    Stephen W. Bond

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    Default Re: Need help filling out AOPA Aircraft Information on Carbon Cub

    The ICAO designator is "PA11" I think I have used this on flight plans before.

    http://www.icao.int/anb/ais/8643/index.cfm

    That may not be the same as the FAA designator but I think what they are basing that designation on is runway needed for takeoff/landing, climb rates, and cruise speeds.

    Pete D.

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    Default Re: Need help filling out AOPA Aircraft Information on Carbon Cub

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete D View Post
    The ICAO designator is "PA11" I think I have used this on flight plans before.

    http://www.icao.int/anb/ais/8643/index.cfm

    That may not be the same as the FAA designator but I think what they are basing that designation on is runway needed for takeoff/landing, climb rates, and cruise speeds.

    Pete D.
    Pete,

    Look here.
    http://www.icao.int/anb/ais/8643/Foreword_english.pdf

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    Default Re: Need help filling out AOPA Aircraft Information on Carbon Cub

    I think PA-11 was used for the original Piper Super Cub...nevertheless, I use it. Does anyone use anything else?

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    Default Re: Need help filling out AOPA Aircraft Information on Carbon Cub

    Yep -- as far as ICAO and ATC are concerned, all CC11s are "PA11". The closed-cowl Legend Cubs are also "PA11", while the open-cowl Legends are "J3".

    That said, looking at Flightaware it appears that when I've called ATC for Class C service or flight following, they've tagged me with everything from "PA11" to "PA12" to "PA18".

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    Default Re: Need help filling out AOPA Aircraft Information on Carbon Cub

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich View Post
    I think PA-11 was used for the original Piper Super Cub...nevertheless, I use it. Does anyone use anything else?
    PA-11 was the "Cub Special" -- basically a J-3 with closed cowl and a gas tank in the left wing. Over 1,500 were built from 1946 to 1949, with 65 hp standard and 90 hp optional beginning in 1948.
    Jeff Jacobs
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    Default Re: Need help filling out AOPA Aircraft Information on Carbon Cub

    So would PA-18 be the most accurate to use for the CC11-160?

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